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Saturday, September 24, 2011
Origin of Veda (With Proves from Shastras)
We are living in such an age, when we all are
ignorant, ignorant of our true history. The situation becomes worse, when some
with no or less knowledge present themselves to be the most knowledgeable, and
Now days, many claim that Vedas are not divine.
Everybody has their own arguments, but all such arguments are based on the
assumptions that Koran and Bible are divine. It sounds pity, when I find people
believe Koran and Bible (which came to the notice of human for just two or a
thousand years) to be divine, but they can’t believe Vedas to be divine (which
is with human from time immemorial). Here I am quoting the proves (pramans)
from Vedas about it divinity.
Tasmat= from Almighy God, Yajat=adorable, Sarvhutah=
to whom everything is surrendered i.e., He is God. From this God Richah = Rig
veda, Samamni= Saamveda, Jajire= are emanated. Tasmat= from the God, Chhandasi=
Atharvaveda, Jajire= are emanated. Tasmat= from the God Yajuhu= Yajurveda,
Meaning – From Almighty God, to whom everything is
surrendered, from this God, Rig Veda, Sam Veda, Atharva Veda and Yajurveda
Similarly in Atharvaveda mantra 4/1/1 and 10/23/4/20
says that the Vedas are emanated from God. In chapter 31 of Yajurveda and
mandal 10 of Rigveda it has been clarified that the knowledge of Vedas is given
at the beginning of creation in unsexual creation.
Now the fundamental is this that until the knowledge
is given by anybody, knowledge cannot be gained. So who was the first Guru at
the beginning of the earth when unsexual creation was there ?
Yoga shastra sutra 1/26 (By Patanjali)
" SA ESHAH POORVESHAM API GURUHU
Sa Eshah= He i.e., God(because this sutra is connected
with previous one), Poorvesham api Guruhu = is Guru of the four ancient Rishis
because God is away from Kalean i.e., death.
It means in the said creation there was no any Guru
alive. So the God gave the knowledge of Vedas to the ancient Rishis.
After lapse of more than one arab 96 crore and 8 lakhs
years i.e., upto Mahabharta period there were no shahstras, upnishads etc., and
same were written by Rishis based on the knowledge of Four Vedas and this fact
has clearly been mentioned by the Rishis in their shastras and upnishads and
Geeta etc. Geeta shlok 3/15 refers.
Now the question may arise, who were the ancient
Rishis to whom God passed on the Vedas.
Anushtubhasya Yasya= anushtup ved vak i.e.,
Vedas' master Almighty God. So God's Yasya Havisha= Vedas and Vedas' Havihi
special knowledge. Prathah sa prathah ch= disciple and Guru, Vasishtha= having
the deepest knowledge of vedas called Brahma, Dhatuhu= i.e., from mantradrishta
Agni, Dutanat= Vaayu Rishi, Savituhu= Aditya Rishi, Vishnoho= and Angira Rishi,
Rathntaram Jabhara= the Brahma studied theVedas.
Here Brahma means a man who took birth from
parents, he studied Vedas from the said four Rishis. Yoga shastra sutra 1/7
wants proof of the truth. Vedas are self-proof Shastra, Upanishad, Geeta and
Ramayan have been written by Rishi Munis within five to six thousand years
whereas Vedas are eternal and in this creation Vedas originated in the heart of
four Rishis cited above about one arab 96 crore 8 lakh 53 thousands years ago.
Yajsidhartham= the God for Yajna and to spread
knowledge of all matters etc., gave the Vedas' knowledge Agni-Vaayu-Ravibhya
and from these Rishis the Brahma studied Rig, Yaju, Saam vedas, dudohah= just
like milking of cow
Here three names are mentioned because of gyan ,karma
and upasana, the three Vidya but the fourth Veda Atharvaveda originated in
Angira Rishi is automatically held. But the Rigveda mantra cited above already
says about four Rishis and then no need of shastra, upnishad etc., Vedas being
Now lets see, some other places where origin of Vedas are written.
Upanishad- Adhyay 4, Khanda 17, Mantras1 and 2]
Prajapati brooded over the worlds, and from them thus brooded on he squeezed
out the essences, Agni (fire) from the earth, Vayu (air) from the sky, Aditya
(the sun) from heaven.
2. He brooded over these three deities, and from them thus brooded on he
squeezed out the essences, the Rik verses from Agni, the Yagus verses from
Vayu, the Saman verses from Aditya
genuine question may arise, in the first verse we have discussed here from
yajurveda, it is said, Vedas were emanated from God, and in the verse from Rig
Veda, it is said that Brahma learned these Vedas from four Rishis, then how
Prajapati is related to the origin of Vedas ?
needs a detail study of various books. First of all, lets see what other verses
of the same Upanishad says about Vedas.
The syllable Om, called the Udgitha, should be
meditated upon; for people sing the Udgitha, beginning with Om.
Now follows the detailed explanation of the syllable:
Ut is heaven, gi the mid—region and tha the earth. Ut
is the sun, gi the air and tha fire. Ut is the Sama—Veda, gi the Yajur—Veda and
tha the Rig—Veda. To him who thus meditates speech yields milk and milk is
speech. He who knows this and meditates on the letters of the Udgitha becomes
the possessor of food and the eater of food.
what have we established so far - the heaven, Aditya & Sama Veda are at
par. The middle air(region),vayu & Yajur Veda are at par. Earth, Agni and
Rig Veda are par. These are the external symbols. The first verse asks one to
meditate on OM, the chant of the Sama Veda
(the highest abode of the 3 Vedas). Just like bhu,bhuvar and Swar being three
rungs of the universe, the Rig, Yajur and Sama Vedas enable one to ascend to
the highest abode of the imperishable ONE.
Veda 10/71 establishes and
explains the eternal syllable. Similarly, Rig Veda 1/164/34 - 45 explain
the eternal syllable and articulate that this syllable OM
is the highest abode of the ONE.
eternal syllable is measured in 4 quarters. Three quarters are concealed and
cause no movement but fourth is THAT (TAT is the impersonal way of Vedic
reference to the Brahman, TAT EKAM, that ONE) spoken by men.
Veda 10/90/1 -16 (Purusha Sukta)
describes the act of Supreme Consciousness where, the Supreme one, called the
Purusha here, sacrifices 1/4th of Self and the remaining 3/4th of the one,
oversee and perform the sacrifice. There is a kind of a triple principle at
play here. The Supreme Consciousness is the object of sacrifice, the sacrifice
itself and one that is executing the sacrifice. It is from this Purusha that
all animate and inanimate things are born. This Purusha is the divine
we have established that Sama Veda is likened to heaven and Aditya, the Sama
Veda is invoked by the eternal syllable OM.
This primordial syllable is the Supreme abode of the ONE who created animate
and inanimate things by self sacrifice. When the Lord decided to manifest this
universe or in other words, when the Lord decided TO BE, he symbolically
emerged from his golden embryo and this ONE, in this context is addressed as
Prajapati (Lord of Beings)- Rig Veda 10/121/ 1 -10.
let us flip back to where we started from, Chandogya Upanishad Chapter
4/17/ 1,2. It simply says that after brooding Prajapati,squeezed out
the 3 Vedas from Agni,Vayu and Aditya. So who created the Vedas??? The Supreme
another level, Rig Veda is the basis of the meditating/contemplating mind, the
next level is the Yajur Veda and the ascension of this meditative thought leads
to Sama Veda, invoked by OM, the abode of the
we reached at the conclusion that, Prajapati is non other then the Supreme
Brahman. So there is no contradiction of what is said in yajurveda, and what is
written in Chandogya Upanishad.
Brahman (14:5:4:10) and Brihadaranyak Upanishad (2:4:10)
clouds of smoke proceed by themselves out of a lighted fire kindled with damp
fuel, thus, verily, has been breathed forth from this Great Being what we have
as Rig-veda, Yagur-veda, Sama-veda, Atharvangirasas, Itihasa (legends), Purana
(cosmogonies), Vidya (knowledge), the Upanishads, Slokas (verses), Sutras
(prose rules), Anuvyakhyanas (glosses), Vyakhyanas (commentaries)'. From him
alone all these were breathed forth."
Upanishad reaffirms what we saw earlier about Prajapati and the self sacrifice
that the impersonal Brahman does to manifest life forms in the Rig Veda. Even
within the same Upanishad, what I have quoted is in the context of a dialogue
between Yagnavalka and Maitreyi.
the seed of this verse (2/4/10) and the discussion point is established much
earlier in the same Upanishad, 2/2/5. This expands the idea we saw in the Rig
Veda and again reiterates that Prajapati gave rise to the Vedas. This Upanishad
reaffirms the instance of the Supreme ONE, donning a material nature and by his
potency or force, the ONE manifests this universe. Prajapati, in this Upanishad
is likened to a symbolic horse that generates potent force.
bottom line, the verse 2/4/10 once again reaffirms that the Vedic hymns
originated from Prajapti, the same Supreme Brahman. So the great being (call
this ONE as Prajapati or Purusha or TAT EKAM),as the verse states, breathes, manifests
everything including the Vedas. So now we have two confirmations that the Vedas
emanated from the Supreme Brahman (from Chandogya Upanishad and the
who is that Skambha, from whom they cut off the Rik verses; from whom they
scraped off the Yajush; of whom the Saman verses are the hairs, and the verses
of Atharva and Angiras the mouth"
is Skamba? the Skamba is the cosmic pillar or limb. The hymns perceive the
Supreme Consciousness as focal point of everything and as the cosmic pillar (Skhamba)
that "supports" everything in this universe, the SELF of the
universe. This SELF of the Universe is none other than the Supreme Brahman that
manifested it. So again, from Atharvana Veda 10/7/20, we see that the Skamba,
the SELF of the universe, is the Brahman from whom the Vedas were carved out.
Again this establishes that the Supreme ONE is the source of the Vedas.
we have clearly established that the Brahman is the source of the Vedas from
the Chandogya Upanishad, the Brihadaranyak Upanishad and finally from the
Atharvana Veda. To leave no doubts, I am furnishing a few of the hymns
1.In which of his
limbs does Fervor dwell?In which of his limbs is Order set?In what part of him
abides Constancy, Faith ? In which of his limbs is Truth established?
In which of his limbs does the earth abide?In which of his limbs the atmosphere?In
which of his limbs is the sky affixed?In
which of his limbs the great Beyond?
That which of all forms the Lord of Life Created–above, below, and in between
With how much of himself penetrated the Support? How long was the portion that
did not enter?
[The part that did not enter, pertains to the 3/4th part of the transcendental
ONE that sacrificed the 1/4th Purusha]
In whom, as Man, deathlessness and death combine,To whom belong the surging
ocean And all the arteries that course within him;Tell me of that Support who
may he be?
He whose head is Universal Fire,Who has for his eyes the Angirases And for his
limbs the practitioners of sorcery–Tell
me of that Support who may he be?
The branch of Nonbeing which is far extending Men take to be the highest one of
all.They reckon as inferior those who worship Your other branch, the branch of
In whom the Adityas, Rudras and Vasus,Are held together, in whom are set firm
Worlds–that whch was and that which shall be Tell me of that Support who may he
above discussions, it is clear that, Vedas were generated from the God himself.
There are no contradictory statements of the above in any other sources. Hence
Vedas are divine.
(Merit of this article goes to Swami Ram Swarupji, Mushafiq Sultan and